Autoweek editor riding with Wayne damns hypermiling

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  1. AlmightyEngineer

    AlmightyEngineer Engineering First!

    As my drill instructor once said in basic training: "Opinions are like rectums - everyone has one".
     
  2. diamondlarry

    diamondlarry Super MPG Man/god :D

    A big +1 here too. [​IMG]
     
  3. psyshack

    psyshack He who posts articles

    Has yours been sewn up? It sure seems like it. :p
     
  4. Ophbalance

    Ophbalance Administrator Staff Member


    That, Bob, seems to sum up your life view in a nice concise package...
     
  5. MT bucket

    MT bucket I want my MPG!

    I found Mr. billl's dangerous turn!!!!!!!!
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  6. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    Hey, AE - NASA P&Gs all the time - they are in Huntsville. ;)
     
  7. AlmightyEngineer

    AlmightyEngineer Engineering First!

  8. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    I'm not going to dignify the picture with GM junk
     
  9. AlmightyEngineer

    AlmightyEngineer Engineering First!

    Hi "fans",

    Not really for this thread, I need to do an update on this:



    Dr. Hogan and I had a conference call with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration on my Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request. There was an informal, general discussion, but the bottom line:

    * NHTSA can't find the bodies either
    * NHTSA statement 'there is insufficient data' is misleading

    The NHTSA will close my FOIA by sending two pages, one listing their databases (likely to be identical to their web page) and a copy of one page from the NHTSA's Wagner presentation, June 23. But the general discussion was revealing.

    The NHTSA decided not to look at the Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) because the EV mode speeds are slow enough that a fatality is unlikely. But FARS directly addresses the words of HR 5734, "... such vehicles [are rjw] extremely dangerous ..." It is hard to find the bodies when you choose not to look for them. They are looking only for low-speed incidents and that data is sparse and flawed. For example, the General Estimate System (GES) is a 1 to 100 sampling and there was only one Prius pedestrian accident found.

    The conference call confirmed what had been suspected, no one can 'find the bodies' but the ambiguity of the NHTSA claim is misleading. NHTSA has the same data we have but used the absence of a positive result, the absence of 'bodies' by ignoring FAR, to claim "There are not enough crashes." There are Prius pedestrian deaths, 11 of them, which makes the "extremely dangerous" claim in HR 5734 at best dubious.

    STATE OF HR 5734

    There is no Senate bill and this Congress ends in November. The window for further mischief is rapidly closing ... not closed but closing. But never underestimate the ability of Congress and the Executive to do the wrong thing given the announcement a week ago of plans to spend $750 B. without the taxes to pay for it.

    Come January, there will be a new round of political appointments and a new head of the NHTSA. Soon the current political appointees are starting to think about their next job. The senior civil staff are planning their orientation presentations for the new bosses.

    CONCLUSION

    Efforts todate:

    1. Every co-sponsor of HR 5734 and the committee members have a copy of the Hogan report and recommended language changes.
    2. Every Congressman whose constituents signed the petition has a full data package.
    3. Every major news paper of the co-sponsor's states has a data package on HR 5734.
    4. Engineering the perfect solution continues.
     
  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi AE:

    ___We will be locking this one up in short order as it has gone beyond the ridiculous and can now be deemed as ludicrous.

    ___Larry has a pic made just for you and we'll keep it open until such time its posted.

    ___Michael, great pic of mr. bill's corner :D

    ___Good Luck

    ___Wayne
     
  11. AlmightyEngineer

    AlmightyEngineer Engineering First!

    Ironically we both agree that "fundamental and narrow minded mediocrity" may someday need to be banned. But it would be easier if hypermilers like you would just stop logging in to the internet and stay off public roads.
     
  12. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    Graph this

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  13. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    Check your avatar. ;)
     
  14. AlmightyEngineer

    AlmightyEngineer Engineering First!

    It has been three and a half years since Wayne and the hypermiling crowd left GreenHybrid.com but one of their former guidelines was:

    'Park so you can pull out straight and not have to back out and run the engine before going forward."

    In three and a half years of following this guideline, I have backed into parking places and had: (1) side quarter panel crumpled against a post (insurance repaired,) (2) rear quarter panel paint scrape at home on a trailer hitch, and (3) rear quarter panel scrape with a co-worker car. All three cases, all three accidents, came directly from the hypermiler guideline about parking so you can pull out directly on to your route.

    I was the driver in all three cases but the hypermiler guideline shared three and a half years ago makes no distinction and provides no guidance on how to back into a parking space safely. If this guideline had come with a call for "backup cameras" or improved rear view, it would make sense but that was not the case. Thankfully, Bob Gritzinger is unlikely to follow this hypermiler guideline. In my case, it turns out this hypermiler guideline is nonsense in a Prius and I won't be following it in the future.

    The Prius turns off the engine to backup using the traction battery and MG2 for power. There is no need to back into a parking space, just pull in straight and then back out into an empty space, not bounded by difficult to see posts, trailer hitches or co-worker cars. Facts and data are simple observations of what happens and the natural consequences of following a bad practice.

    In this respect, the dialog has done me a favor. It has lead me to dropping an unwise practice, backing into parking spaces, to using the features built into the Prius.
     
  15. psyshack

    psyshack He who posts articles

    No don't lock it. It's great to see AE go on and on with his pointless witch hunt. And Mr. Bill is always a riot.

    Just reference the post above. I can't stop laughing..........
     
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  16. psyshack

    psyshack He who posts articles

    It also proves you can't back a car and have no sense of presence or know the size of your car or the placement of the car in a known area. LMAO!!!!! I bet your just about as bad going forward.

    Anything else you would like to add to your over all driving ability's?

    Please graph that out and explain it in your know it all engineering speak compounded with your lack of driving skills. I bet you would be a hoot at a autocross that has a backup gate. :D
     
  17. Damionk

    Damionk DWL Lover

    I have kept quiet on this activity as to not lower myself. But, in this case I feel the need to reply. I have been backing to my space at work for about 5 years, that is an estimate I didn't make a note of the first time I did so. At first it was a 89 Grand Marquis, then a 98 Esteem, and now a 96 Accord. In those hundreds of times not once have I ever hit anything or anyone. True, there have been some times where I just wasn't paying enough attention and came close. But, by constantly moving my eyes I avoided what ever I came close to hitting. This was even before I was hypermiling. I just found it easier to back in instead of pull out. Not to mention UPS's rule "Back in, pull out." I am amazed that anyone can hit something 3 times and not get the idea that they should be paying more attention to what they are doing.
     
  18. ILAveo

    ILAveo Well-Known Member

    Don't take this wrong, but all of those sound like driver error stemming from a lack of skill or attention. Perhaps a driver's training refresher course would be in order for you? Being able to back in tight spaces is a skill every driver should have.

    I've been backing into spots for years when traffic is not present when I'm pulling in. The improved sight line for spotting traffic when pulling out provides a small additional margin of safety. I've never had any accidents when doing this. I did have a minor accident with a pipe sticking out of another truck when backing out of a space at work a few years back (dented the tailgate-not worth fixing)-- my fault of course for not checking for things sticking out of the other truck.

    You probably also should consider starting a new thread since you seem to be going far afield in this one.
     
  19. diamondlarry

    diamondlarry Super MPG Man/god :D

  20. Damionk

    Damionk DWL Lover

    I scared my kids a little when I laughed out loud at that one.:biglol:
     
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