Insight Marathon Attempt: Live - Sept. 25 - Oct. 4, 2006

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    ___We are in the hunt ... Randall took his out and I took Louis' out. Both pegged at 150.0 but the winds are rising and that is a killer as both Insight's were holding onto 1.4L/100 KM until the final 10 mile segment into a head wind. Both finished up at 150.0 mpg or 1.5L/100KM. Louis is on the course right now in Randall's. We still should finish up on Sunday but the winds sure do knock the Insight for a loop in terms of FE. We will be battling those all afternoon :(

    ___A ton more to add about Randall's pack, 12V at night, distance delta with the live FCD based FAS vs. the Key based one (2.8 miles worth) and how far we are behind already. 53 degree F launch but it is now touching 70 +. Winds out of the west-south-west at ~ 10 mph.

    Insight Marathon Lap Data

    Day 1

    Column1Column2Column3Column4Column5Column6Column7Column8
    DriverDeparture Temp Degrees FTime OutTime InLap distanceTotal Tank Distance (miles)Trip MPGTotal MPG
    Randall5309:0411:3158.858.8150.0 - 1.5L/100 KM150.0 - 1.5L/100 KM
    Louis7212:1501:5238.897.6150.0 - 1.5L/100 KM150.0 - 1.5L/100 KM
    Wayne8202:0003:5338.8136.4150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Randall8304:0005:3538.8175.3148.9 - 1.5L/100 KM150.0 - 1.5L/100 KM
    Louis8205:4007:2838.8214.1150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Randall7407:3009:3044.6258.9141.4 - 1.6L/100 KM150.0 - 1.5L/100KM


    Day 2

    Column1Column2Column3Column4Column5Column6Column7Column8
    DriverDeparture Temp Degrees FTime OutTime InLap distanceTotal Tank Distance (miles)Trip MPGTotal MPG
    Randall5005:3508:1250.2309.2142.4 - 1.6L/100 KM150.0 - 1.5L/100 KM
    Louis7408:2010:0738.8348.1150.0 - 1.5L/100 KM150.0 - 1.5L/100 KM
    Louis8710:1912:0738.8386.9150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM150.0 - 1.5L/100 KM
    Wayne9012:2402:2238.8425.8150.0 - 1.3L/100 KM150.0 - 1.5L/100 KM
    Randall9002:2804:2738.8464.6150.0 - 1.5L/100 KM150.0 - 1.5L/100 KM
    Louis9204:3506:3238.7503.4150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM150.0 - 1.5L/100 KM
    Wayne8706:3609:0040.0543.5150.0 - 1.2L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM


    Day 3

    Column1Column2Column3Column4Column5Column6Column7Column8
    DriverDeparture Temp Degrees FTime OutTime InLap distanceTotal Tank Distance (miles)Trip MPGTotal MPG
    Wayne5707:0109:2642.1585.6150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Randall7209:3411:3838.8624.5150.0 - 1.5L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Louis8311:5504:2080.0704.5150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Wayne8504:3306:5038.8743.3150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Randall7406:5409:0740.0783.4150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM


    Day 4

    Column1Column2Column3Column4Column5Column6Column7Column8
    DriverDeparture Temp Degrees FTime OutTime InLap distanceTotal Tank Distance (miles)Trip MPGTotal MPG
    Wayne4606:3609:0642.2825.7133.0 - 1.7L/100 KM150.0 - 1.5L/100 KM
    Louis5309:1301:2177.7903.4148.0 - 1.5L/100 KM150.0 - 1.5L/100 KM
    Justin681:2603:3638.8942.3150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Justin6803:4105:4338.9981.2150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Wayne6805:4508:1138.81020.0150.0 - 1.3L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Randall5608:2209:2517.51037.6136.3 - 1.7L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM


    Day 5

    Column1Column2Column3Column4Column5Column6Column7Column8
    DriverDeparture Temp Degrees FTime OutTime InLap distanceTotal Tank Distance (miles)Trip MPGTotal MPG
    Justin5908:4611:1942.21097.8148.5 - 1.5L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Louis7711:2401:4840.01119.8150.0 - 1.5L/100 KM150.0 - 1.5L/100 KM
    Justin8703:3606:0042.11162.0150.0 - 1.3L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Randall8706:0508:2338.81200.9150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100KM
    Louis7108:2610:3538.91239.8144.5 - 1.6L/100KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Louis6110:5011:023.61243.5150.0 - 1.5/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM


    Day 6

    Column1Column2Column3Column4Column5Column6Column7Column8
    DriverDeparture Temp Degrees FTime OutTime InLap distanceTotal Tank Distance (miles)Trip MPGTotal MPG
    Dan6408:5811:1642.11285.6150.0 - 1.3L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Bill8611:2001:3038.81324.4150.0 - 1.3L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Recal9401:3502:1212.91337.3136.7 - 1.7L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Dan9202:1704:2538.81376.1150.0 - 1.2L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Bill9204:2906:5138.81414.9150.0 - 1.3L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Justin8406:5509:1738.81453.7150.0 - 1.3L/100KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Dan7309:1911:2838.81492.5150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Randall7111:3201:5540.01531.3146.8 - 1.6L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM


    Day 7

    Column1Column2Column3Column4Column5Column6Column7Column8
    DriverDeparture Temp Degrees FTime OutTime InLap distanceTotal Tank Distance (miles)Trip MPGTotal MPG
    Dan6607:2909:5142.21573.5150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Justin7609:5312:0538.81612.3150.0 - 1.3L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Dan9012:1202:1038.81651.1150.0 - 1.5L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100KM
    Bill9302:3005:0138.81689.9150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Wayne9205:0507:2538.81728.7150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Bill8607:2809:4838.81767.5150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Randall8009:5106:16147.01911.5150.0 - 1.5L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/ 100 KM


    Day 8

    Column1Column2Column3Column4Column5Column6Column7Column8
    DriverDeparture Temp Degrees FTime OutTime InLap distanceTotal Tank Distance (miles)Trip MPGTotal MPG
    Wayne7106:2809:0338.81950.3150.0 - 1.3L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Wayne7609:0711:4640.01990.3150.0 - 1.3L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Recal9205:4206:0113.22003.5082.7 - 2.3L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Louis9206:0708:3038.82042.3150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Randall8308:3310:4138.82081.1148.5 - 1.5L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Wayne7810:4401:1938.82119.9150.0 - 1.3L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM


    Day 9

    Column1Column2Column3Column4Column5Column6Column7Column8
    DriverDeparture Temp Degrees FTime OutTime InLap distanceTotal Tank Distance (miles)Trip MPGTotal MPG
    Wayne7201:1903:5040.12160.0150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Louis7106:5409:2942.22202.2150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM
    Randall8709:4612:5852.22254.4150.0 - 1.5L/100 KM150.0 - 1.4L/100 KM


    1.1 L/100 KM = 213.8 mpg
    1.2 L/100 KM = 196.0 mpg
    1.3 L/100 KM = 180.9 mpg
    1.4 L/100 KM = 168.0 mpg
    1.5 L/100 KM = 156.8 mpg
    1.6 L/100 KM = 147.0 mpg
    1.7 L/100 KM = 138.3 mpg

    [​IMG]
    2,254.4 miles on a single tank of fuel - The Insight rolls over at 2,000 miles but the FCD holds FE data until reset.​

    ___Good Luck

    ___Wayne
     
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2006
  2. tigerhonaker

    tigerhonaker Platinum Contributor

    Re: Insight Marathon Attempt: Live - Sept. 25 - Oct. 1, 2006

    :Banane37: Wayne,

    Thanks for the very quick update::woot:

    Terry (tiger)
     
  3. tbaleno

    tbaleno Well-Known Member

    Re: Insight Marathon Attempt: Live - Sept. 25 - Oct. 1, 2006

    Arrg. I think eveyrone on the team needs to go on a diet to try to gain back some of that mpg the wind is taking away.
     
  4. psyshack

    psyshack He who posts articles

    Re: Insight Marathon Attempt: Live - Sept. 25 - Oct. 1, 2006

    What the wind taketh it should give back once going the other two directions. UNLESS you get the old Okie. If you dont like the weather it will change in 5 mins. syndrome. :)

    psy
     
  5. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    Belated - Maybe Dumb Question

    Would it help the Insight doing the Marathon run to have two spares on the rear tires? Of course it would wear them out quickly.

    Then there is removing the passernger seat....
     
  6. tigerhonaker

    tigerhonaker Platinum Contributor

    Re: Belated - Maybe Dumb Question

    Chuck, Insight for the most part has to remain as a Non-Modified Vehicle. So seat has to stay and the Correct Tires need to remain. The spare tire can be left out since a lot of owners do that.

    Terry (tiger)
     
  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Re: Insight Marathon Attempt: Live - Sept. 25 - Oct. 1, 2006

    Hi All:

    ___I had a huge write up in the form and the satellite went out :(

    ___OK, Randall is currently on the course for the single night shift run. We will meet up with him on the Eastern portion to drive to his home (full blown P&G). He is going to put the Insight up for the night in the garage with the block heater. At dawn, we go (Randall goes) again. We should have 150.0 locked up after 250 miles when Randall finishes up. The winds have died down to nothing but temps are falling fast …

    Some pics!

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    Randall topping off at the launch point.

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    Topped off.

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    Randall on the first segment of many.

    [​IMG]
    Randall first segment - 1.5L/100 km at 94.7 km.

    [​IMG]
    150.0 mpg – 58.8 miles.

    [​IMG]
    Wayne - segment #3 – 1.4L/100 km at 62.5 km.

    [​IMG]
    1.4L/100 km – 219.7 km.​

    ___Good Luck

    ___Wayne
     
  8. NEmystic

    NEmystic Active Member

    Re: Insight Marathon Attempt: Live - Sept. 25 - Oct. 1, 2006

    Chuck,

    The spare tire(s) for the Insight are not as efficient as the Potenza RE-92s. This has apparently been tested and proven. Those low rolling resistance tires (RE-92) at 50+ PSI love to coast!
     
  9. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    This is 157mpg or Better?

    Doing conversions at http://www.pege.org/fuel/convert.htm

    Someone make sure I'm doing this correctly

    Does the readout for 1.4L/100km really mean "1.4 to 1.499999L per 100km?

    If the answer is yes, the mpg is between 156.8 and 168.01 :woot:

    If this is one vehicle and you do a fillup at the end - it might be at least 3% better. That is my experience. For example, 157mpg in the FCD would be at least 161.7mpg over a tankful.

    I realize that only about 1.25 gallons have been consumed so far....
     
  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Re: Insight Marathon Attempt: Live - Sept. 25 - Oct. 1, 2006

    Hi All:

    ___The Insight has exceeded our expectations for day 1 with a relatively solid 156 + mpg tank. We drove both Insights (Randall’s and Louis’) for the first segment to compare notes and just in case … On our night practice run(s) last night, I had a recal within 3 miles of leaving Randall’s home. I am more then a touch gun shy about running his Insight through a night shift with that experience. During the day, Randall’s Insight can sing with the best of them yet has a personality all its own when compared to Billy’s, Bradlee’s, Justin’s, Louis’ and my own from days gone by. Randall, Louis and I had to work through the differences and let her take us where she wanted to go is all ;)

    ___Now back to this afternoons post lost to the ether. Because of our concern for the Insight’s 12V system, we are only running a single night shift to keep our mileage schedule. With that, Randall is best qualified to maintain a tight SoC at night. Louis and I both know this tightened SoC control leads to a lower FE segment and that Randall can camp on a 1.4L/100 km segment. We just need to nail down distance so as to try and finish up on Sunday afternoon/evening. We also thought it was best to let Randall take his Insight home, keep it in the garage plugged in for the night. We may rethink this tomorrow but we will see how it goes. Our turnover should be much quicker given what we have all learned from one another today and we will be starting at dawn so as to get those miles up. By the time Justin arrives, the tanks FE should have settled out and we will have an even better idea as to when she may run dry? At the current tanks FE, we are going to have to run closer to 325 miles/day then the 260 we did today. Dawn to dusk plus one night shift should take care of the miles but it will be interesting whatever happens.

    ___Finally, this may be the Insights swan song but I sure hope it will not be the last. The Insight community has everything to do with this weeks event and we are doing our level best to pay that experience back as well show the world what the masterpiece otherwise known as the Honda Insight can be driven too. Let us hope the rest of the world sits up and takes notice?

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    258.9 miles @ 156.x mpg’s so far.

    [​IMG]
    The Honda Insight on its way home after a spectacular first day …​

    ___Good Luck

    ___Wayne
     
  11. highwater

    highwater Well-Known Member

    Re: Insight Marathon Attempt: Live - Sept. 25 - Oct. 1, 2006

    You've heard of tennis elbow........

    I've got FCD neck:D

    Randall
     
  12. psyshack

    psyshack He who posts articles

    Re: Insight Marathon Attempt: Live - Sept. 25 - Oct. 1, 2006

    I dont know what the weather is like in NC Oklahoma. Here in the Tulsa area they are calling for southern winds of 10 to 20 mph thru sunday, except for thursday. Then its a northern wind at 10 to 20 mph. :(

    These are indeed super human drivers in a super car. :)
     
  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Re: Insight Marathon Attempt: Live - Sept. 25 - Oct. 1, 2006

    Hi All:

    ___Randall took up the challenge before 06:00 AM in the dark this morning and drove with lights and the high rolling resistance cold for all it was worth. Louis is on the course now but the temps are a killer. Winds with warm temps or cold temps w/out wind. Tough choice either way but the warmer temps and little to no wind are crucial for maximum FE.

    ___Good Luck

    ___Wayne
     
  14. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    Re: Insight Marathon Attempt: Live - Sept. 25 - Oct. 1, 2006

    Think it might be a good idea to cover the radiator with cardboard?
     
  15. psyshack

    psyshack He who posts articles

    Re: Insight Marathon Attempt: Live - Sept. 25 - Oct. 1, 2006

    One thing about certin parts of okiehoma. If you have a head wind or a slicing wind from the nw or the se you should get some tail wind action on two legs of the course.

    Im looking forward to following the Insight in the Civic and Accord for a lap. :)
     
  16. tarabell

    tarabell Well-Known Member

    Re: Insight Marathon Attempt: Live - Sept. 25 - Oct. 1, 2006

    All we need to complete this picture is a white Bronco in the lead... :D
     
  17. tbaleno

    tbaleno Well-Known Member

    Re: Insight Marathon Attempt: Live - Sept. 25 - Oct. 1, 2006

    Hey slackers! We need updates!
     
  18. psyshack

    psyshack He who posts articles

    Re: Insight Marathon Attempt: Live - Sept. 25 - Oct. 1, 2006

    Tom they must be partying in there down time between shifts. Tonkawa is a wild place yeah know... :)
     
  19. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Re: Insight Marathon Attempt: Live - Sept. 25 - Oct. 1, 2006

    Hi Tom:

    ___The west winds are ripping up our FE on the western legs. We have dropped the ranges while heading into it to try and save a good segment but just when you think you might make 1.2L/100 KM, you have another 2 miles of head winds and 3 or 4 climbs with no drop off on the other side to help … It is frustrating to say the least.

    ___Justin is going to have a ball for about 3 segments and then he will experience the frustration we have if the 10 + mph WSW winds are still prevalent. None the less, we are still receiving great FE but these darn winds take everything you have gained and throw it out the window. That doesn’t mean we ever give up but when you see the 1.1’s and 1.2’s slowly fade into the distance on the western leg, oh boy :(

    ___Randall is currently on the course and I gave him and Louis everything I tried to hold onto a 1.2 when he sees it. Hopefully the winds will do there normal fall off after 04:00 CST and he can nail the barn door shut on his own 1.3. I will be updating the second day data tables in a few minutes.

    ___Good Luck

    ___Wayne
     
  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Re: Insight Marathon Attempt: Live - Sept. 25 - Oct. 1, 2006

    Hi Chuck:

    ___I saw your post over at IC about Randall’s Insight being modded w/ MIMA. This is not the case as all hints of MIMA have been completely removed. It would not make any sense to use it under this regiment. Randall did bypass the key switch w/ a switch so as to not have to turn the key (break it) from IG-II to IG-I to shut down the car, turn back to IG-II to liven up the displays, to IG-III to start it back up and back to IG-II for normal running ops.

    ___As the schedule stands now, I will be driving the night shift segment tonight and possibly the dawn schedule in the morning … Wish me luck ;)

    ___Good Luck

    ___Wayne
     

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