Discussion in 'Honda Hybrids' started by xcel, Sep 4, 2008.
That is *so* totally a Honda Prius. Aieeeeee.
It is going to be tough to decide between the insight II, CRZ or Prius III. I am so selling/trading in the FIT for one of the three in the next 2 years!
Lots of exciting new hybrids coming out! If Honda offers this or the CR-Z with a manual transmission, both will get a serious looking at from me in a few years.
Can't help commenting the magic folding seats and stuff under the floor are all Fit innovations that are cool.
___Until we receive dimensions, we have no idea what the Insight-II really is. I have always suspected it was going to be based off the Asian/European City/Aria Sedan underpinning which is essentially the Fit/Jazz minus the hatch. Either way, I am still a bit skeptical about the $18,500 price tag as a 5-door hatch has far more utility than the HCH-II sedan, it still holds five, it will have every safety feature of the HCH-II and more and it costs as much as $5,000 less while using the same or possibly even better 1.3L IMA equipped system. The HCH-II is dead as will be quite a few Civic and Fit sales from initial speculation.
___What it will be worth? We can be reasonably assured SAHM will be there. If its lighter weight, a little more performance and a little higher City/Highway. I think we need to wait for MSantos to add his own thoughts as he may have had some input into the IMA Gen V that the Insight-II will come equipped with
Off topic, but I'm about to pull the trigger on the wifes car Friday /Sat.
It just seems like too good of a deal. 2009 new AT cylinder Camry 4 door $17,988 + TTT
I like new as the used ones hold value it worth $1 or 2 K to have fresh
She wants a big car like that and will not except a MT
I showed her Prius and she said eweeee and then pftttt
The Accord LX sedan 4 cylinder AT is $1k more On paper is about the same entry level deal.
Knowing I'll keep it for 10 years and around 150k miles how bad am I messing up here with this deal?
I recall an article I read a while back specified that the next refresh of the HCH would have the updated IMA system as well -- which would finally allow that back seat to fold down.
I'm more interested in the smaller car, but I'm most interested to see what they did to IMA. I'm really hoping for a much lower assist affinity, some way to temporarily nullify assist, and some clutching mechanism to allow true free-wheeling of the drivetrain.
Bring it on!! I want to get my hands on it!
On a related note, I still expect the CRZ to be a performance oriented machine with a rating in the 40s.
Nice looking car - better than the image being batted around earlier.
IMHO, i'm guessing that the low price of the new Insight is due to Honda wanting to take back market share from Toyota. Meaning they will sell them with minimal profit or even at a loss. Works for me!
It does look like a prius..except slightly more stylish.
On the FE estimates, the Japanese car mags estimate a FE on the 10-15 mode test of 38km/L, HCHII IIRC is 29-32km/L. The gen2 Prius gets 29-35.5km/L with an estimate of 40km/L for the Gen3 Prius.
It appears they've conceded aerodynamics for styling more than in the original Insight, e.g. no rounded edges behind the front wheels, no fender skirts, eggbeater wheels, etc.
They're going to need to do better than than the computer renderings seen here if they're planning to be selling them next year.
Guess I should have bought Honda stock yesterday. Lol 100,000 in NA those will go quick. I guess I'll call the local Honda dealer and see if I can put down a deposit.
One thing to consider is that drag coefficient is less important the slower you go, and the smaller the frontal area is. It's only a coefficient. I often suspect that all the slippery stuff on my Insight is somewhat wasted at the 50mph or less that I usually drive.
Efficiency elsewhere may yield greater results.
___As you know, the Japan10-15 is a perfect SeeSaw P&G which is very interesting in its own right but did the mags you read talk about the vehicle estimates as guesstimates or have they heard something from within Toyota and Honda themselves? 25% increase from both vehicles even on the 10-15 is so overly huge it is almost mindboggling? I like it but 25% is a really large number in one generation from a vehicle that is already very fuel efficient.
They only mention that it is their own estimate, I am certain there is a lot of pressure to exceed the Gen2 Prius.
Its not wasted, you get noticeable amounts of aero drag at speeds as low as 30mph. Just try to ride a bicycle at that speed and you'll see what I mean. Its just that aero drag doesn't become the predominant load on the engine until you get up around 40 to 55mph, depending on the vehicle's Cd.
Then it looks like there'll be lots of room for aeromodding to improve the mileage above OEM figures, especially if most of your time is spent on the highways. I would prefer to be able to buy a car that I wouldn't have to aeromod to get optimum mpg performance out of, but such a car doesn't exist yet. Maybe the Aptera....but the pics I've seen of the prototype show a few areas that could be improved by aeromods.
One of the easiest ways automakers could get fuel economy improvements is aeromods - no moving parts or high tech on the final product.
Many of you have heard about how GM is laboring to get the Volt's Cd down to 0.28 - good, but not cutting edge. This is NOT a technical issue.
One possibility is GM would hate to do like Honda has done on the Insight II and make it look like a Prius...keep in mind Honda is an arch-rival of Toyota, yet they did it.
What I lean towards is Detroit and most consumers still have their heads in the bulkly SUV era - brainwashed for a generation that boxy, blunt, bricks are macho - streamlined cars are wussy. Just look at some of the Chrysler cars (the 300) along with the original concept Volt - still have a bit of a blunt front.
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