How can you do this in NJ?

Discussion in 'Start Your Journey Here' started by NJUser, May 24, 2008.

  1. WRXTeamDFL

    WRXTeamDFL Well-Known Member

    I live in NJ, commute on Route 78 every day and have no problem. Yeah, I get the occasional (OK, often) one finger salute but I've learned to ignore it. I just stay in the right lane, ignore the rants, and go on my own way.

    I started off by just driving the speed limit. Just by doing that I upped my average mileage ~4 MPG. Now I'm adding a couple of other techniques, and I keep seeing my gas mileage go up.

    Hey, if you're doing the speed limit in the right lane, no one has any right to complain. You are obeying the law and doing the right thing. It's the people that do the speed limit while sitting in the passing lanes that are the real problem.
     
  2. laurieaw

    laurieaw Sorceress of the North

    kind of strange, isn't it? we still call that the passing lane, since that was originally what it was supposed to be used for. however, i think a more truthful title would be the speeding lane. before i moved a few months ago, for 7 years i drove the 4 lane to work. i would watch the flow of traffic as it approached in my rear view mirror. if that indeed was a passing lane, i should have seen cars moving into it to pass, and then moving back into the right lane to travel.

    that's not what happens, and i am sure everyone sees this, so i am not picking on your comment at all. when the traffic came up from behind, in the left lane was usually a long string of vehicles, all going faster than the speed limit, often moving together as some kind of mass of metal. they did not move over after passing me.

    so, anyone in the right lane who was also coming up behind me generally was traveling the same speed as the left lane, and had a hard time getting into the left lane. the solution was often tailgate me until there was an opening, or force an opening and jam themselves into the left lane.

    keep in mind, i was generally drive perhaps 60 on a 65 road. at the speed the left lane and the drivers in the right lane were going, it would not have changed a thing if i WERE going 65, since they were ALL going so far above it.

    the last year or so i lived there, i finally found a slower backroad on which i could drive slower and with less hassle. sorry, i am not going to be forced to go 80 just because everyone else wants to. it's not safe, i am not comfortable doing it and it wastes gas.

    that said, i was on I94 saturday morning, which has a 40mph minimum with 70 max. i drove about 55-60, and for a holiday weekend, i saw less speeding that i would have expected, and nobody hassled me at all. is the tide turning?
     
  3. WRXTeamDFL

    WRXTeamDFL Well-Known Member

    I guess it's wishfull thinking to call it the passing lane. As a newly reformed speeder, I used to get so frustrated at people sitting in the left lane and not passing people. It's such a simple law (with signs all over the place in NJ) STAY RIGHT PASS LEFT. Why can't anyone get it. When I was on my honeymoon in Germany, everyone obeyed that law, and traffic flowed so smoothly.

    Now as a person that actually drives below the speed limit in the right lane, I get annoyed at people who tailgate and flash (high beams) me when I'm obeying the laws. Still the same law: STAY RIGHT PASS LEFT.

    Anyway, my philosophy is let 'em rage, let 'em give me the one fingered salute, let 'em mash the accelerator to pass me... They'll pay for it at the next gas station.

    Ken
     
  4. laurieaw

    laurieaw Sorceress of the North

    STAY RIGHT PASS LEFT. since the left lane generally passes everybody who might be in the right lane, i suppose technically they are correct in being there. the problem develops when someone who is driving the right lane wants to pass, there is often no way to get into the left lane....sigh.

    there is a sign in minnesota, too, that says SLOW TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT. which i do. apparently though some people's idea of slow is still faster than mine, judging by the number of vehicles i have seen up close and personal in my rear view window.
     
    Last edited: May 26, 2008
  5. kwj

    kwj I hypermiled this

    Having hypermiled in New Jersey for the last 30 weeks, I don' see that much of a problem. Most of my trip time is spent on the NJ Turnpike between Exit 7 and the Del. Mem. Br. but I've also driven the same basic trip on 295. During the week, I tooled around Bordentown with no problems.

    At first, I sweated it, but finally relaxed. I only drive at 55 on the turnpike or 295 (both are 65 MPH highways, but I give plenty of warning by driving well to the right of the right lane, and using my 4-Way flashers to communicate to truckers.

    So, in my meanderings at least, hypermiling in NJ is no different than hypermiling in Delaware or Maryland.
     
  6. NJUser

    NJUser Member

    Hi everybody. Thanks again for all those who posted replies to my forum. I don't have a lot of time right this minute but I will get to all those who did reply soon. I did want to say that I agree with alot of you and the way I saved gas this weekend was just stayed home. Simple but eventually you have to go to work right? LOL Anyway, I just wanted to give an update. I did have to go from Toms River NJ to Staten Island this holiday weekend and I watched an accident in my rear view mirror. Now I know I said before I could go on and on with stories since my normal commute is 55 miles each way 5-6 days a week. Anyway, traffic was moving pretty well and I will say nobody was hypermiling. Everyone was doing close to 75-80 mph. Reason why you ask? I will asuume because it was a holiday and people had places to go. Well, there were 2 cars that seemed to be "racing" each other. I was again n the left (passing lane) because that's what I was doing. Well one car passed everyone in he far right lane and then cut in front of the car that was in front of me. The car that was trying to keep up with him came up on me so fast I thought he was gonna hit me but I watched him in my mirror and he backed off. Well, he only backed off to try and go around everyone including me. He was such in a hurry to catch up to the other car that he cut someone off in their lane realized what he did swerved back in my lane and lost control then hit the car he tried going around. They both spun out on to the side of the road. The first car pulled over because he saw the accident. I know that there are accidents everyday everywhere. This is just another case of how it is here. Even if I was in the right lane the first car would have been up my butt so it really doesn't matter what lane I was in. I understand that some of you say to stay in the right lane and do the speed limit and don't worry about everyone else but the guy who was just minding his own business with his cruise control on got his car smashed and possibly injured for not being agressive enough. Remember the old saying...If you can't beat em, join em? This may be the new slogan for New Jersey. Anyones thoughts??
     
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2008
  7. hobbit

    hobbit He who posts articles

    Being in the right lane at a reasonable speed tends to help
    prevent the yutzes who jump into it to try and pass a mess of
    people on the right. This helps enforce lane protocol, and
    there's probably more of an expectation on the part of the speeders
    of being up someone's butt in the right lane than another one
    so if they want to avoid it, maybe they shouldn't try to use it.
    .
    There's a place near here where they've opened permission to
    use the breakdown lane during certain rush hours. This is one
    of the most stunningly bad ideas they've pulled for a while,
    since it not only encourages right lane speeders but now they
    can't *merge* the normal way with people coming on. They did
    this with some cockamamie notion that adding more lanes increases
    the flow capacity, which frankly it doesn't do in the slightest
    in this particular stretch since there's a lane drop anyways.
    .
    I refuse to get involved in that mess; I stay in the *real* right
    lane away from the on-ramp death race and just watch it play
    out through the other half of my windshield.
    .
    _H*
     
  8. Jaral

    Jaral Well-Known Member

    NJUser, you witnessed reckless and illegal driving(racing is very very illegal). Reckless driving endangers all drivers, regardless of hypermiling or not. Actually, hypermiling might be safer than normal driving around reckless drivers, since you stick out more and get noticed because you are going slower than the flow. Not getting noticed gets you hit, as does simply being in the presence of idiots like the one you saw.
     
  9. kwj

    kwj I hypermiled this

    NJUser, notice once more, the truth that speeding causes accidents. You can either be part of the problem, or part of the solution. By slowing down and staying in the proper lane, you will put yourself at the designated "safe" speed. You will minimize your speed differential from the posted speed. You will save gas. You will cease being a "bad" example and begin being a "good" example. And ultimately, you will feel less stressed as you drive.

    Again, I've spent the past 30 weeks driving in NJ, not exceeding any speed limits, and driving at 55 on 295 and the Turnpile, plus driving in Bordentown during the week. I've seen a lot of crazy moves, but no more than I see in Delaware or Maryland, so I can attest that Hypermiling in NJ is no different than Hypermiling on the Baltimore Beltway.
     
  10. lightfoot

    lightfoot Reformed speeder

    Right lane, ridge ride, check the mirror and add hazard flashers when needed. You get used to it, trust me. I've been doing it for nearly two years and at first it was a bit daunting. It's actually better to be going slower because people quickly realize that you ARE going slower and there is no hope of speeding you up.
     
  11. Shiba3420

    Shiba3420 Well-Known Member

    Sorry to go back to the orginal message so late, but I thought this was funny...

    I'm pretty certain that if a hypermiler has no where to go, they don't drive.
     
  12. some_other_dave

    some_other_dave Well-Known Member

    I dunno, it sounds like Mr. NJ has his mind already made up. Not sure why someone would post like that on a board dedicated to achieving higher MPG, except perhaps as a troll...

    -soD
     
  13. TIGR

    TIGR Member

    No; driving at any speed outside of the "regular" flow of traffic increases the risk of accident, whether your speed by above or below the flow. It's easy to jump on the bandwagon of "speeding causes accidents" because of course everyone has some horror story about a terrible speeding-related accident, but personal experiences and single events matter little in the larger scheme of things.

    Certain hypermiling techniques are beyond any doubt riskier than driving "with the flow." However, those on this forum, including me, are generally the type of people who are willing to take that risk, and reduce it as much as possible by being extra alert, in favor of gaining a few mpg. To us, better FE is worth some risk, even if I'm the only one who will come out and say it.

    And to others, speeding is worth the extra risk for a few extra minutes off the road.

    At any rate, however, many things increase the risk of accident while driving. "Speeding causes accidents" is a biased, short-sighted blanket statement IMO.
     
    Last edited: May 27, 2008
  14. lightfoot

    lightfoot Reformed speeder

    How about this?:
    Speeding makes accidents more likely.

    On top of that, even though it may not be the primary cause of an accident, speeding usually makes the outcome worse because more energy must be dissipated.

    Going slower than the general flow of traffic may make the probability of an accident greater than "going with the flow", but the effects of that accident are likely to be less severe.

    This is for multilane highways. Going slower on secondary roads is likely to be safer period.
     
  15. PTDixieGal

    PTDixieGal Can I go fishing now? GOOD

    Okay, I'm still new to hypermiling but one of the biggest things that I have learned so far is that if you use good judgement it is entirely possible to hypermile wherever you are and still be safe. Good judgement is the key. Yes there are some hypermilers who do drive slow BUT they allow themselves more time to get from point a to point b. I think that CBS's story where Wayne drove to New York is proof that you CAN hypermile in these areas. And if you look at the time it took him, he obviously DID allow himself time.
     
  16. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    I'm late to this thread but you are saying sideing with the majority is always right, just like:
    • Apartheid S Africa
    • the segrationist South
    • many totalarian regimes of the 20th century
    • investing in sub-prime mortgages
    My thoughts: try hypermiling or at least slowing down for a month. I'm among those who have and been in less accidents.
     
  17. kwj

    kwj I hypermiled this

    TIGR
    No, speed is involved in over 30 % of all fatal accidents (according to that statistics maintained by the State Police. If speeders would slow down to the legal limit, the speed differential would decrease to a safe level. People would have more time to react, and the forces generated in an accident would diminish to the extent that many more lives would be saved. On top of all that, gas would be saved and pollution would be diminished. That is a win, win, win, win, win, win, fact.
     
  18. diamondlarry

    diamondlarry Super MPG Man/god :D

    Very well said! I would also add that along with the gas saved, it would mean the demand would go down and the price may drop as well.
     
  19. brick

    brick Answers to "that guy."

    Bingo. Common sense and hypermiling make good company. My policy in traffic is to keep right and drive about the posted limit. That's usually no problem, and it usually returns completely acceptable mileage. So it's completely possible to hypermile without really standing out. (There will always be the handful of mouth breathers who will get on your case just for you crime of existing, but don't worry. Laboratory studies have shown that their memories are only good for 10 to 20 seconds.)
     
  20. Vooch

    Vooch Well-Known Member

    I recently took a job in Princeton New Jersey

    and have found that NJ is a perfect place to hypermile !
     

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