Discussion in 'Mercedes-Benz' started by psyshack, May 7, 2008.
the smart is a niche car - I predict they'll sell 20,000 to 35,000 cars a year in the US
The smart fortwo is such a niche car. Unlike the Insight, which sold worldwide under 20,000 - total.
Anyhow, there are places in the world where getting *any* space within a few kilometers of your destination takes major effort. Which explains this snap in Paris:
One thing I don't miss about the over dozen years of driving a full size Ford Van was finding a parking space for the beast. I do miss the fuel savings - over 100,000 gallons.
She is driving a Sentra right now. And yes its a MT. My mama ain't no AT fool.
She just likes quirky little cars. She liked the Metropolitans in her youth. Her and Dad bought a NSU Prinz when I was a embryo. She drove the Fiat 850 Coupe Monday thru Friday and Dad raced it on the weekends. Her CRX-Si is a treasure. She wanted a Mini. She wanted one back in the day. But father had to much fun beating the brit boxs with his cheapy Fiat. When the new Minis came out they just cost to much. So the Smart does fall into her line of thinking.
I talked to her today and forward her info and pics on the Fiat 500. She really liked it. But who knows if it will make it to America. She would buy it over Smart. She really likes Yaris until she see's the Sombrao. She did own a Camry at one point. Nice car but boring as wall paper paste. And she also has a feeling of violation when leaving a Yota dealer. That stuck up Yota purchasing processes has kept her from buying Yaris.
I just find it intresting how many Smarts are showing up here.
Haven't seen one around here yet.
___I think the Smart ForTwo is a lot of fun but it is not for everyone is all … Being the third most fuel efficient vehicle in the US is a good start but we need a much more advanced 1.0 in her to make it to the top of the charts. The Mitsubishi mill just doesn’t cut it in terms of its FE is all
___The fun factor let alone its ability to park just about anywhere is great though
Room for three anyone
I just got back from Europe and among other things, test driving (from the Würzburg dealer) a turbocharged gasoline version of this car, which makes it QUICK.
I was also in the heart of smart-land along with 10 other Canadian smart enthusiasts (and one American enthusiast) and we got a factory tour and boy was that interesting. This is the only factory that I've been to that does not have any smokestacks. It looks more like a hospital. Love the new smart!
My next smart will be a turbo gasser I think. I will keep the diesel forever (I bought some new stuff for it in Europe too), but the novelty of one that has - say - 98 HP in the beck would get me back into the showroom sooner or later. People in Europe with these report about 35 US MPG (on spritmonitor), even with the BRABUS' super wide wheels and tires.
What gets me about Smart is the price and mpg. One way to high and the other way to low. Something was lost. Maybe if it makes it in the US market something can be done about these two major issues.
I do like that the front of the car kind of has a smile to it.
They're basically sold out in the USA for over 12 months, so the FE can't be all that dismal and the price that unrealistic!
Who else makes a car of that price which has ABS, ESP sidebags all standard?
I don't know about being sold out nation wide. There on the lot here. And won't be sold at over MSRP. Take that to the local Yota dealers that claim we never sell over MSRP. But have track record worse than the Honda dealers of selling way over MSRP id the idiot walks on the lot. My mother is thinking of buying her smart in Tulsa cause the PHX dealer/dealers are screwing the crap out of folks. And claiming long lead times. and she is not seeing a glut of Smart. its all a marketing whiz bang worthless marketing drive up... Maybe its Tulsa,,, It can be a funky town.
The car thats impossible to get off the lot here is the BMW 135I. The BMW dealer cant keep any 1 series on the lot. Last I checked they had 4 M3's. The new Accord is selling awful. And the HCHII and PII even in the face of 4 buck gas is slow.... Two weeks ago when I glanced at a Tulsa Yota we want to rip you off dealer. They had PII's stacked up like cord wood. Honda dealers only keep afew HCHII's.
Funny thing, I had said I hadn't seen one. Then yesterday I saw my first real life one. Even though I had seen the pictures I did a big double, even triple take. I'm sure he/she gets quite a lot of stares, waves, honks, etc.
Haven't seen any in Cincinnati yet.
Penske will revoke the dealership of anyone who tries to sell at over MSRP. He made this perfectly clear over a year ago and is sticking to it. That's why they're not.
Most dealers in the west and east have a 12+ month waiting list. The dealers are screaming for cars.
I was on a factory tour three weeks ago, and the tour guide said that they are going to have to open the plant longer - extending the working week - to meet US and other demand. After that, they may still have to get a third shift on line. Even at our local dealer in Canada, where the smart has been available for nearly 4 years, there is a 4-5 month waiting list.
I saw my first Smart on Friday! In truck-loving Columbia, SC! Cute little thing.
I have seen two here in the western Chicagoland suburbs. One was black, and the other yellow and black. I liked the looks of the yellow car. The all-black one blended into the shadows, and and I am sure its going to get hit by one our Yahoo drivers out here.
I was able to walk right up to the yellow and look all around it. OMG, the Prius is a bloody SUV compared to this thing! But, if your just putting around a highly dense area, its probably a good deal. Especially if your paying for overnight parking in a garage. They should be able to get two of these in the standard sized parking space.
I think I would be quite nervous in this car, on a 40 mph gusting cross-wind day, on the interstate portion of my commute, with all the 18 wheelers, and dancing hippos (that is what SUV's look like on one of these days).
I just saw one several weeks ago, and yesterday I saw 2. I'm guessign maybe they are starting to come into the showrooms or getting shipped in. The last one was a sweet little convertible which I honked at and waved. I am guessing they get a lot of that.
There are close to 10,000 of them on US roads now.
And there are about 12,000 in Canada, so they're a lot more common here. People here tend not to get excited unless I have my cabriolet's soft top all the way down.
Yes, they are very cute that way. Reminds me sort of the OLD VW beetle convertible.
1) The EPA MPG numbers seem low. There might be a flaw in the EPA testing procedure which penalizes the Smart ( key word might). Our very own, Mike T. gets 60MPG out of his. 60 MPG is close to what one would expect. Mike T. says he drives in a 'normal' style.
2) At the rate the Smarts are selling, they'll sell 18-22,000 this year. That is quite an achievment given the tiny dealt network, the radical nature of the car, and its other niche appeal.
3) The quality of fit and finish are significantly higher than a Yaris. Recall that this is a M-B product designed for European Urban Professionals who can afford luxury cars.
One can expect the Smart to sell no more than 30,000 annually in the US. It will fill a specific niche market - like my hometown.
The reason mine gets 60+ US MPG is that mine is a diesel (2005 model); the gasoline new models that are sold in the USA would typically be about 20 MPG less than that, without hypermiling.
Thansk for the correction.
But I recall that you have described your style as normal North American driving.
It would be good if we could attract some Smart USA drivers to post their MPG stats on the logs here - It would clarify matters.
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